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Isn't that what the hidden lines are for? And I think that is the extent of the dimensioning standards. The hidden lines tell you its on the far side.

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Inventor has this information and it would be nice if it was automatic.  Option 2 would be to disallow dimensioning them from the side opposite as that could be considered dimensioning to a hidden line.  At least I had one instructor that would have marked off for that.

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We nearly scrapped out a large cast aluminum tooling plate because the detailer didn't notice the counterbored mounting holes were from the opposite side (large plate, small holes).  My contention is that Inventor knows this C'Bore was created from the opposite surface and should automate this callout adding the "from opposite side" notation as needed depending on the view shown.  We're a machine design firm and are always creating large plates with hundreds of holes and it sure would be nice if Inventor would assist a little better with the little details that sometimes go unnoticed.

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Our shop assembly personnel use laptops and 3D .dwf's for mechanical assembly and that's saved us TONS of time explaining how our machines are put together... Imagine a 12 station indexing dial workcell in 2D on B size paper in black and white.  That's where we came from moving from AutoCAD 2D to Inventor, so, no complaints here.

Anybody run across an addin or ??? that automates this?  I was going to add it to the IV Wishlist but wanted to make sure there isn't something out there already or have I simply missed a checkbox option to turn the feature on.

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Yes... the hidden lines were there.  Problem was, this was a 26"x36" plate detailed on a "B" size drawing, using hole charts for location/size so the detailer didn't notice the hidden lines (even though they're red, still hard to see at that scale) and the machine shop couldn't tell the C'Bores were hidden on the small scale, black and white print.

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I agree that it should have been caught.  And I'm not really pointing fingers or trying to be negative, just noting that Inventor knows the direction of hole creation but doesn't allow for automated dimensioing based on hole direction and that would have caught this error for us.

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As for the size of print, agreed, but we don't have anything but a B size printer so that's why the hard copies are that size.  We use the hole location and size callout in the hole chart to program our CNC (or use CAD imported data) but the "hole from opp side" was missed by the detailer, checker and machinist in this instance.  Doesn't happen too often but when it's on a large, expensive part, it gets noticed.

I've been trying to get monitors/computers at each assembly station for a while now... I've started counting my time spent distributing paper prints,etc... My time spent would have paid for the computers 3 times over so far... I hate paper.

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It would be nice if they had a hole note format type of "thru counterbore FAR SIDE", "thru countersink FAR SIDE" ,etc... in the styles/standards then we could simply add "c'bore on far side" or "c'sin on back side" or whatever to the hole note default. I'd vote for your wish...

Kind of a catch 22 when you have software that automates almost everything, you start counting on it to catch your errors/omissions and detail checking is more of a quick scan when your in a rush to release to fabrication.  Another processing problem, but it's one that won't go away soon in a budget tight economy.  Quick turn is paramount.

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Now having said that I fully agree with you. I always add "c'sink on far side" or something like that to counterbores/c'sinks,etc... it just makes me feel better to do that.

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I can tell you it's reduced our engineering/assembly interface time by a TON.  We used to go out to the floor and physically "stack up" the parts to show them how it went together because following the 2D paper prints (that were usually rushed) was such a useless endeavor.  Now we save as .dwf and they refer to it for nearly everything.  HUGE IMPROVEMENT.

To me its not the fault of the software...   Everbody (including me) wants to make software idot proof so people don't have to think.   But I see a flaw in your design process.   If you are making these large plates with numerous holes why is the shop floor building per a "B" size drawings.  It sounds like you have (fine) details that need to be shown and showing them on a Bsize sounds wrong to me.   In addition do you have a review and approval process that would catch these types of issues even before the drawing made it to the shop floor.

First time an expensive error is made out on the shop floor (I've done it myself, start cutting in to a $1k part and the instant I started the cut realized I had it oriented incorrectly) tally the cost of the mistake.

We are in a similar situation as I can only print B size prints.  What I do is if there's some kind of detail I can't show on that page, I create a seperate page and show the detail there.  In this case, without having seen your specific drawing, I would try to do a section view showing the counterbore and place in on a second drawing with the appropriate note.  Of course, if I didn't notice it then I guess I wouldn't have did that?

Count the time the machinist, assembler or others spend figuring out a drawing and add up the costs.  (Particularly if there is one-off stuff and not stuff that they do over and over again.)

Doesn't take a powerhouse machine to view files - old hand-me-downs or even new computers are pretty cheap compared to the cost of shop-floor mistakes.

I agree that it should have been caught.  And I'm not really pointing fingers or trying to be negative, just noting that Inventor knows the direction of hole creation but doesn't allow for automated dimensioing based on hole direction and that would have caught this error for us.

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I've been trying to get monitors/computers at each assembly station for a while now... I've started counting my time spent distributing paper prints,etc... My time spent would have paid for the computers 3 times over so far... I hate paper.

I like the idea of a monitor and a 3D DWF at every station (or Inventor View).  I worked out on the shop floor for 8 years and understand how costly mistakes can be made like this.  The 3D file is the single source of truth and often easier to see and verify geometry than a 2D print of any size.  Hopefully in the not too distant future the 3D annotation tool will develop to a usable tool as well (http://labs.autodesk.com).

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I've been pushing for a PC and monitor at each of our mills and lathes to get rid of the paper but that has been and will continue to be a "process".