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There is lower heat generation during climb milling because of the gradual reduction in chip width as cutting progress. Also, since the cutting force is downwards, there is a reduction in the overall cutting load and workpiece holding requirements, especially during horizontal milling processes. The downward force exerted by the cutter may also help eliminate machining chatter as it keeps the workpiece tightly against the surface beneath.

Here, we examine the differences and the advantages and disadvantages of conventional milling and climb milling. We also provide factors to consider when choosing between them for milling to help you make the right machining decisions.

Both processes have their advantages, depending on the application. Let us examine these advantages as they may influence your choice of which method suits your workpiece best.

Climb milling vs conventional milling is one debate that has been around for a long time among seasoned and new machinists. However, both processes have their stand-out points and drawbacks.

The absence of backlash is one factor that makes conventional milling stand out. This absence is because conventional milling does not pull up the table, ensuring optimal stability.

There are two main reasons why climb milling gives a better finish. First, this cutting process drops the cut chips behind the cutter, reducing recutting. The second reason is that climb cutting reduces cutting forces, which translates to less tool deflection, and a better finish.

We do some hogmilling convetional on plates of 304 st that have been plasma cut this gets the tool under the hard surface of the burnt edges rather than cutting into that hard edge.

A machined free standig wall will therefore tend to thicken towards the top (the flexible section of the wall) if you climb cut or thin out towards the top if you conventional cut.

This is the traditional CNC milling process, where the cutting tool rotates in an opposing direction to the workpiece. Also called up milling, cutting in conventional milling occurs in an upward direction.

So, if there is a backlash, the table pulling occurs with the same amount of backlash. This also means that if there is enough backlash, there is a high tendency for the table to break, which could injure the operator. This is especially true when the cutting tool is operating at high capacity.

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These are "special" circumstances and generally the choice of whether to use a conventional or climb cut is more to do with the dynamics of the chip formation.

Climb cutting, because of the initial high force impact followed by a falling off of force as the chip thins will have a tendancy to push the material away from the cutter.

Frictional and upward forces generated during conventional milling often produce excessive heat. Also, with excessive heat, the tool suffers damage, reducing its lifespan, precision, and accuracy of the workpiece.

When roughing a workpiece, the recommendation is to try climb milling, which yields a faster result. Also, during roughing, the tool deflection effects on accuracy are negligible, as the finish pass would make the workpiece more accurate.

sometimes on plastic parts we climb mill the ruff pass and conventional machine the finish pass does a nicer job on the finish...also on chamfer milling passes it seems to wipe the pickup off the edge on my spring pass

Thermodynamic implications are more important for people in the aerospace machining world because many aeropace materials are "heat resistant", Aluminium, Titanium , Inconel and high chromium content stainless steel(324 - 348)are all heat resistant materials, i.e they do not conduct heat well.

The better one depends on the type of machine, preference, and material requirement. However, conventional machining is a better choice for manual machining, especially using a machine without a backlash eliminator.

Climb cutting on a router table

However, this deflection rate also makes conventional milling ideal for machining harder materials such as steel and cast iron.

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During conventional milling operations, there is a greater tendency for the cutter to deflect away from the workpiece. This deflection ensures that there is a minimal chance of unintentional cuts occurring. Also, even if these cuts occur, their depth would be negligible. So for optimal control, conventional milling wins the climb milling vs conventional milling debate.

Since the chip thickness decreases as the climb milling process progresses, it results in fewer deflections during the cutting process. Besides, cutting in this process deposits the chips behind the cutter, eliminating recutting and guaranteeing an excellent finish to machined parts.

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Another technique I use frequently is rough conventional cutting vertical walls in aluminium. If you use one of the free cutting 90 degree shoulder insert mills such as Dapra there is nowhere for the chip to go when climb cutting a vertical wall and so the chip gets forced between the wall and the insert. This can cause material smearing and heat the part up from the friction (potential thermal distortion). Conventional cutting scoops the chip out and ejects it away from the wall. With a good free cutting insert you should only notice a 5 - 10% increse in tool pressure.

Conventional cutting will tend to pull the material towards the cutter as the forces increase through the cut as the chip thickens.

On a conventional cut the thinnest part of the chip is formed first,as the cutter advances the cutting edge impacts behind the direction of feed, and the chip thickens through the cut.

Regarding tool deflection in conventional milling, it is parallel to the cut, which translates to greater control over the cutting process and a lower margin for error. On the other hand, tool deflection during climb milling is usually perpendicular to the cut. This direction may decrease or increase the width of the cut, affecting its accuracy.

However, it is important to note that conventional milling produces a better finish in cases of significant tool deflection.

The cutting tool used for this process often has better service life than the ones used in conventional milling. The reason is that the tool does not undergo much stress during the cutting process. A mill cutting tool used for climb milling often experiences lower heat generation and deflections than conventional milling. This results in less wear, with the tool living up to 50% longer than that used for conventional milling.

Also known as down milling, this refers to a milling process where the cutting tool and the workpiece rotate in the same direction. One advantage of climb milling is that there is zero chance of recutting. The reason is that the cutting tool’s teeth climb onto the workpiece during milling, depositing the cut chips behind the cutter. It is important to note that chip formation in this milling process starts with a full thickness, but as the cut progresses, the thickness decreases along with it.

While both climb milling vs conventional milling has their advantages, they also have disadvantages. Here are some of them.

While climb milling tends to pull the workpiece towards the operator as it cuts downwards, conventional milling does it in the opposite direction. Therefore, it offers machinists greater control, translating to greater stability. Compared to down milling, there is no excessive vibration in conventional milling. So for stability, conventional milling wins the climb vs conventional milling argument.

Another downside to conventional milling is the heat generated during the process. This heat generated is because chip formation here is gradual, often resulting in cutting tool overheating. A consequence of cutting tool overheating is a reduction in its life span.

Since chip thickness is highest at the onset of cutting in climb milling, using this process on harder materials would damage the cutting tool. This could happen to cutting tools made from steel, cast iron, titanium, and other hard materials. So for use in milling harder tools, conventional milling wins the climb vs conventional milling debate.

On a climb cut the thickest part of the chip is made first, as the cutter advances the cutting edge impacts ahead of the direction of feed. The chip then thins out as the cut is completed.

I conventional cut with solid carbide in Al if I am forced down that road and have even done so in Ti. But it is HARD on the cutters especially in tougher/harder materials.

What is the difference between conventional and climb milling? Well, many differences exist between them, from process to result. However, tool deflection affecting cutting accuracy is a major difference between these two milling methods.

On a conventional cut large amounts of heat are being generated when the chip is thin. Frictional forces (which are converted to heat) are much greater as you push the cutting edge through the material at greater depth and the chip thickness increases. This can be OK in steel or heat conductive materials but can be a real problem in heat resistant materials as the excess heat will bleed into the part, again risking distortion.

I would guess the price would be close. And, even if it was a little more, the savings in tooling should make it well worth it.

Having glanced through the above thread and posts I think belearner might benefit from a general overview rather than indivdual examples, so here goes.

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Physical/geometric implications are that a climb cut will have a tendancy to "hook" any corner or cusp and either have an unbalanced load surge or set up unwanted vibrations (chatter) in the system.

It is best to use conventional milling if you want to remove a rough material. Avoid using conventional milling when making the final cut, as it would produce a rough surface.

When climb cutting the cross sectional area (and therefore the volume)of the chip is at its maximum when the majority of the heat is being generated, at the initial impact and shear. Maximum heat build up is just behind the cutting edge and slightly back on the chip side of the cutting edge. The higher the chip volume at this time the more heat will naturally flow into the chip and not the part, which can lead to distortion.

A good example of this would be trimming the ends of extrusion with a standig wall or leg. There is little or no flexiblity along the length of the part so you don't have to worry about sucking the part in and undercutting, so a good candidate for conventional cutting

The upward cutting used in this process makes achieving a smooth finish difficult. This is due to the number of deflections experienced by the workpiece and cutting tool, resulting in a rougher surface.

As the above implies conventional cutting is best done with HSS cutters as you can grind the edge sharper than carbide and thus reduce the above effect, you are also going slower so you are generating less heat.

In this article, we discussed their differences and the advantages and disadvantages of these techniques, so you can make informed decisions regarding which is ideal for your project.

But these days, milling machines come equipped with a backlash eliminator. This helps reduce backlash, allowing machinists to reap the benefits of Climb milling unhindered.

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The name climb milling comes from the fact that when milling with this technique, the cutter teeth climb down onto the workpiece surface. This results in the deposition of chips behind the cutter while reducing the incidence of recutting.

This problem is magnified with insert cutters which generally have a nose a few thou. in radius (up front sharp free cutting inserts are an exception as mentioned above). So conventional cutting in tough heat resistant materials with inserts is a bit like trying to pierce the material surface with a ball bearing at an angle. The forces and and heat generated are great and the insert will rapidly break down.

Climb cutting vs conventional

Removal of an abrasive/hard skin is one. Waterjet can help on some matrials but nothing can be done about the nasty skin on Titanium extrusion and forged block. As mentioned above, with a conventional cut, you are entering virgin clean the material rather than constantly slamming into the nasty skin if you use a conventional cut.

Milling is a form of subtractive manufacturing that involves cutting a stationary flat surface with a rotating tool. Climb and Conventional milling are the two main ways machinists use for milling a part. However, choosing between them is often challenging as both have merits and demerits.

The cut depth and tool life are opposites, so it is best to find a balance between them. You must note that increasing cut depth reduces tool life and vice versa.

With climb milling, working at a fast feed rate or machining thick workpieces would result in severe vibrations. The cause of this vibration is the cutting tool’s impact on the workpiece. These vibrations are detrimental as they often result in tool deflections which could affect accuracy. They could also damage the workpiece.

Climb milling occurs with the aid of a downward force. This force often affects not only the workpiece but it could also affect the table, pulling it into the cutting tool.

As opposed to Climb milling, chip formation in conventional end milling starts from zero and gradually increases. Furthermore, the cut chips stay on the path of the cutter due to their upward rotation.

On the whole climb cutting allows you to balance the cutting forces and achieve a more accurate cut. There are exceptions.

This is one major disadvantage of climb milling in the conventional vs climb milling debate, especially where cutter forces are strong enough. Let us explain better.

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Climb milling works with a downforce, hence during face milling, it helps brace the workpiece against the surface beneath, reducing chatter on thin floors.