Also, I don't think you will get a flat bottom with a 1/4 endmill in a 3/8 hole. The bottom relief will still show a dish in the middle of the hole. You would need a smaller tool to pass over the center more.

And while the cutting methods tend to be the most popular, thread forming does offer some significant advantages, depending on the application.

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The experts recommended using a good predrill hole size and checking it constantly throughout the processes, especially if there are a lot of holes.

“The minor diameter cannot be controlled using forming taps, and therefore a tighter tolerance is required,” said Matsumoto. “If the drilled hole is too large or not as precise, this can limit the amount of material that is able to be displaced to properly form the thread. On the flip side, if the hole is too small, there will be too much material needing to be displaced, resulting in failure.”

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“Thread milling and thread tapping have lower torque specifications because of the cutting action,” said Matsumoto. “However, with thread forming, the torque needed to displace the material is much greater. This means that shops may need to consider a larger, stronger machine.”

I need to drill or bore a hole on a horizontal mill that has a flat bottom. (No drill point allowed). The hole is .375 diameter 2.559 deep. The material is aluminum 6061. The tolerance is +-.004 on the depth and the diameter. Whats a good way to make this bore with the flat bottom. I was thinking of trying a flat bottom drill but I never used one before. Is this a good approach and if so do I need to rough the bore first then finish with the flat bottom drill? Would using a boreing head be a better option?

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+/-.004. Flat bottom drill should do it as a second tool. If location is an issue, C.E.M. with a flat bot would also work good.

External coolant can be efficient for this method, as most taps are designed with channels to allow lubricant to access various parts of the tool and workpiece.

Forming has its own unique drill size, which tends to be larger than the standard cutting tap size. For forming, you want to drill the minor diameter oversized so that it’s slightly larger than what it will be when finished. When the forming tap is ground dimensionally, it will displace the material, which will squeeze into the full file of the tool, bringing it to the minor and pitch diameter.

I use k-tool flat bottom drills every day. They work awsome. No predrilling or spot drilling needed. They've held up better for me than kennametal index drills do so were switching all our drills over from kennametal to k tool as they need replaced. Good finish also.

“You definitely want to make sure that the first hole is the same diameter as the last hole,” said Haid. “That way, you have a consistent hole all the way through so that you can then form. I would also recommend checking the hole and threads after the first form. Do one first and check it right after, so you can save yourself a lot of downtime.”

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“Another advantage of forming is that it is not shearing the grain structure,” said Hatch. “So when it displaces the material, it compresses the root of the thread profile and you get very smooth thread flanks, providing increased dynamic strength.”

“It’s also so important to have a nice rigid setup,” said Haid. “The machine needs to have the power, there needs to be a strong toolholder, and the workpiece needs to be secure. Everything has to be dialed in really well.”

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Coating technology also plays an important role in the performance of the forming tap. The workpiece material will dictate the appropriate coating needed for the tool.

With no chip production, this forming tends to offer a higher level of safety and productivity. It also tends to be much more accurate, producing the correct tolerances.

If there isn’t good, smooth flow of the material, it can become very difficult to control the size and create the correct thread.

“Aluminum, stainless steel, carbon steel, some alloys, and basically any material up to 40 HRC work well with this method,” said Matsumoto. “We have tested forming on things like heat-resistant superalloys, specifically INCONEL 718, and it worked fine. The problem with this is that these types of materials are usually used in industries where thread forming is not widely accepted, so it doesn’t really make sense to produce forming taps for these applications unless it is a special tool.”

“One of the top 10 questions we get asked is about inspection and whether shops can use a GO/NO-GO gauge,” said Haid. “Gauging is no different from one method to the other. It is the basis of all inspection. The core hole and minor diameter also need to be checked using a similar method to that of cutting.”

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“One of the biggest differences is that forming taps do not create chips,” said Kyle Matsumoto, product engineer, OSG USA, St. Charles, Ill. “Chip evacuation can be a big challenge when threading, especially in deep holes, so not having chips is a strength of this method.”

No offense to anyone but spot drilling and reaming are a waste in my eyes. If you use a split point-self center drill you don't need a spot drill. And, what is the reamer doing for you? IMO - nothing. Based on your tolerances and locations, both of these are not needed.

One of the strengths of thread forming is that because it doesn’t produce chips, it works well for lights-out operations. Emuge Corp.

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Spot drill, drill, ream, helix bore the bottom only with 5/16 ext. relieved shank staying .001 off the wall. Way faster then helixing the whole bore, and chips are pulled out with peck drill cycle.

The depth in this case would also be a problem for helical milling. With a 1/4" endmill you would have a length to depth ratio of more than 10xD. This isn't good.

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Using a good predrill hole size and checking it constantly throughout the processes, especially if there are a lot of holes, can help create quality threads. OSG USA

“With forming, you have to control two dimensions simultaneously, which are the minor diameter and the pitch diameter,” said Mark Hatch, product director, Emuge Corp., West Boylston, Mass. “And this is different than the cutting method, where you drill the final size of the minor diameter prior to tapping. The hole size is finished prior to a cutting tap entering the hole. When a cutting tap is ground, the minor diameter is the clearance so there is no contact with the minor.”

I agree with Doug, the Harvey tool will work well but be sure to drill the hole first and just use the Harvey tool to finish the dia and the flat bottom.

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“A forming tap requires about twice the torque compared to a cutting method,” said Hatch. “As the tap sizes get bigger, it makes less sense to use forming. By the time you get ¾ to 1 in. or above, the use of forming tends to drop because it requires a machine that can produce a lot of torque in order to efficiently run it.”

Material type and hardness play significant roles in the effectiveness of forming. If the material is too brittle or hard, it can make the forming process impossible.

“It's very hard to entertain the idea of switching to thread forming if you’re not familiar with it or haven't been introduced to it in the past,” said Matthew Haid, application specialist, Dormer Pramet, Elgin, Ill. “Most people think that you have to use a cutting tap in a hole. Instead of cutting the threads, forming taps displace material flowing into the gaps of the teeth as opposed to cutting them.”

Watch it with the endmill. Some endmills have quite a lot of "dish". If you plunge a hole it finishes up deeper at the edge of hole than at centre. As MCM says you need a flat bottom cutter. Manufacturers can supply but, over here at least, you do need to ask for it.

With forming, you have to control two dimensions simultaneously, which are the minor diameter and the pitch diameter. Emuge Corp.

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Thanks every on for the help. I ended up drilling the hole to .359 diameter then reaming it to .375 diameter down to the start of the drill point. Then I went in with the flat bottom counterbore tool from Harvey Tool to remove the material left from the drill point. This works very well. Next time I get a part like this I think I will try the flat bottom drills to see if I can save some time.

“During the threading process, heat enters the workpiece, tool, and chips,” said Matsumoto. “However, with no chips, heat penetrates the tool and material at a much higher rate, which can lead to issues. This is why coolant and lubrication are so important. Also, some forming taps are designed with a unique lobe geometry that helps reduce cutting forces, leading to a reduction in heat generation.”

This method is well-suited for high-production CNC machining, which can achieve that repeatability and consistent threads.

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Workpiece material must have the ability to flow to be able to create the thread profile. A cutting method should be used for materials like cast iron – which doesn’t flow well – to produce threads.

Kennametal has some FB drills that I use in allum. that there is no need for pre-drilling or spot drilling. Just move to location and drill. They work great. Page a26 of there innovations/cutting tools 2011 book.

“Titanium can also be a challenge due to its very low thermal conductivity, meaning that it doesn’t absorb heat very well,” said Haid. “And without the necessary heat, the material can have a hard time flowing into the thread space. But for steels and aluminums, it's one of the strongest and most accurate ways possible to create a thread.”

With forming, the tap rolls the material, producing a rabbit ear-like shape that includes a gap rather than a flat surface. This can be problematic for certain industries because the gaps can collect contaminants and particles.

“Forming does require a higher lubricity characteristic from the coolant or straight oil,” said Hatch. “It's a high-friction process because it is pushing the material into a form rather than shearing it. You have to be more conscious of the concentration of the coolant. We typically recommend a 10 per cent concentration in order to have sufficient lubricity to keep the tap running smoothly and material flowing smoothly.”

We have to bore holes all the time. Depending on Ø & depth I will drill or helix bore first but I have to finish with the bore because GDT callouts. Just because positioning is wide open, circularity, cylindricity, straightness, etc. can be tight and not achivable on many mills with helix bore. One part we just finish in ss was approx. 3/8 Ø x 4 deep w/ a step and we c'drilled, drilled, helix bored, fb drilled, and used a special ground bottom cutting reamer with 1000psi thru-spindle coolant to achieve the GDT and surface finish callouts.

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Thanks for all the replies. The tolerance for the location is +-.002 in the X direction and +-.002 in the Y direction. The tool from Harvey looks good. I'm always pleased with there products. Do they make those in metric. This part also has another bore coming through the other side of the part with a flat bottom that has a diameter of 8.1mm or .319 inches. This one is only 1.102 deep with the same tolerances.

“Because of chemical interactions between coatings and the composition of the materials, they have to be matched properly,” said Hatch. “For example, if I were to use a TiN-coated forming tap in a 6061-T6 aluminum, the TiN coating would actually have a chemical interaction with the metal and would start bonding to the tool. This would yield a very poor result and low tool life. So, what you would use in aluminum is very different than what should be used in stainless steel and so on.”

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i personally would helix bore with a 1/4" endmill and call it a day. do it all the time and much faster then spot, drill, interpolate with end mill. just go in there with an end mill and helix bore.

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The recommended speeds are going to be a lot faster than for a traditional cutting tap. This can be intimidating, especially when you aren’t hearing and seeing the usual cues that you get with cutting methods.

Depends on how deep the hole is (long drill should be spotted reguardless), depends on how true the drill runs, depends on if you have these tools and the job justifies in qty of parts to buy them, depends on if you want to chamfer the hole. The rule is, there is no rule...common sence must apply.

“A forming tap tends to last three to 20 times longer than other methods,” said Haid. “Thread forming is the wave of the future, but I don't know if shops are always aware that this is a viable option. There's a bit of an upfront cost associated with it, but the extended tool life justifies the cost in many cases.”

I would do it with two tools. Drill undersized to depth with a Peck Cycle. Then Helix Bore to the start of the drill point with a 5 Degree pitch. Then a separate operation to finish the floor with a 1.5 Degree pitch.

The experts noted that for small-diameter threading applications in difficult materials, cutting threads can be problematic because the chips tend to be very strong and do not evacuate easily, leading to tap breakage. This is not an issue with forming.

Creating threads is a common practice in many machine shops. This part of the process takes place late in the game, often after quite a bit of work has been done to bring the component to near completion. This is why it is imperative to thread correctly. One misstep and the entire part could be scrapped, and no one wants this. The three common methods for threading internal holes are tapping, milling, and forming.

With forming, the predrilled hole size is extremely important to the overall accuracy of the threads. Many operators who are unfamiliar with forming may look to a standard or traditional tap drill chart, but forming has its own requirements. It can be challenging to find new references, but many cutting tool manufacturers can provide specifications, and looking through the Machinery’s Handbook can offer insights.

“It's also a stronger thread,” said Haid. “However, there are some limitations, like it does require more spindle power. And while it can be used for most industries, the food, medical, and aerospace sectors are exceptions.”

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then I would contour mill it with end mill 8 mm with ultra short flute length and I would make the end mill rise after every depth to extract chips

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“Because there are no chips, you are able to get a very consistent, predictable thread on unattended operations,” he said. “If you get a very good-quality tool, you can also get a very predictable tool life result. This will help shops move into the automated processes and allow them to run unattended.”

Reamer is giving you a consistent hole top to bottom without chip swirl that is safer to run (minor drill runnout or dulling does not scrap part).