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Burns Power Tools (for Lamello) Carbide Processors Coastal Tools Great Lakes Power Tools (full line Milwaukee supplier) Hartville Tools HNS Tools ( mostly for Klein Tools) International Tool KCTool (German hand tools – 10% off with code TOOLGUYD4LIFE) MaxTool (good holiday sales) Router Bit World (saw blades too) Toolbarn ToolsPlus ToolUp (mostly for Ridgid plumbing tools)
Elmhurst, Illinois, with distribution centers in Robbinsville, New Jersey; Santa Fe Springs, California; Douglasville, Georgia and Aurora, Ohio – strategically placed close to shipping centers and across the country. Order today, get it on the truck tonight, at your local center in the AM, out for delivery.
We had a Grainger account for our fabrication business. It was always a bit frustrating to try to calculate up-front what items would cost. Back then – with us – they would rebate some of our spending based on yearly volume. On the other side of the coin – I was told that sometimes a order in the morning would arrive at our dock that afternoon. I think that the fellow who ran our tool room would shake his head about both.
I’ve been using McMaster for 25+ years and their customer service is indeed awesome. I’ve called them and asked for manufacturer/model info on products in their catalog, and also the other way around: do you carry a Dewalt XYZ-123? They’ve always had the answer straight away.
I have had good savings and met expectations with Chadstoolbox and Misterworker sites for Europe hand tools. Read reviews for yourself and watch the listed expected ship dates for out of stock items. Savings were worth it for me. Seemed deeper savings than amazon.de to me. Misterworker doesn’t have a free shipping amount so deep discount items with actual shipping costs from Italy. I put in couple hundred dollar orders with each of items I didn’t need immediately. Good value proposition to me.
You didn’t mention Graingers. Items usually arrive the next day. I bought up fasteners they were closing out. All stainless.
Also I hate to be that guy but you can’t have a list of where to buy without mentioning Harbor Freight. For me they’ve filled in the void left by Sears for DIY automotive tools.
One of the things that sticks with me is their level-checker-stand gizmo, probably 350 pounds of calibrated horizontal & vertical steel to check levels. The only place I’ve ever seen that.
Penn Tool is also worthy of mention although their focus may be a bit out of the realm of most readers here and their site is a little archaic.
As a general warning Amazon is not an official Milwaukee seller so you only get the warranty from the time of tool manufacture and not the time of sale. I learned this the hard way.
My shipment including a $98 stabilla torpedo level got jacked en route, and after 5 minutes on the phone asking if I could get some credit or anything in the reorder, and they just shipped me a second order free of charge. I’ll be a KC customer for a long time.
I would add Chads toolbox to the list. Sells German tools and has a price match guarantee. Side note: I could write a book about how much I hate Harry Epstein’s. I would recommend taking your money elsewhere
I wouldn’t say they lost on the cyber era. Sears was one of the first to have an online presence. Remember Sears was heavy into mail order before Bezos was even born.
Amazing Place. I live in Kansas City. Walking in is like stepping back in time when tools where overbuilt to last forever. Worth the trip is your ever near KC.
As a tool user, I’m usually looking for lower prices, better customer service, and an overall easy and satisfactory customer experience. I still haven’t found the best-overall retailer – have you?
I’ve been browsing OfferUp lately and what I’ve seen is there are small businesses that are buying up pallets of HD returns then selling the tools at a discount. From what I’ve seen in pictures most of the tools are open box items that for whatever reason got returned to Home Depot.
I used to create separate posts for updates, but that does the same as purging older comments, as older posts need to be redirected to avoid cluttering up links and on-site search results.
But they do ship fast. I generally avoid it for books, but sometimes I need a book right away, and then I use Amazon. I also use it for things like stainless steel metric bolts. They’re cheaper than McMaster-Carr and the like, and the consequences of the product being second-rate or counterfeit aren’t huge.
Not mentioned: local tool repair shops. They often have some amazing discounts but it’s obviously hit or miss like flea markets.
I’ve come to regard Tekton as the modern equivalent (in wrenches) to the old Sears model: Simple to select, simple to receive, etc., in such a way that they’ve become a no-brainer (as Sears was) when wrenches are needed.
Many try to point a finger at Walmart or Amazon or at private equity companies. But in all three cases I’d point out that this is merely the creative destruction process at work. Sears itself wiped out many mom and pop stores as well as many competitors such as Montgomery Ward. They made many strategic blunders ultimately ending in their demise. Almost any “household name” rarely lasts more than a few decades at most, even those companies based on innovation at their core. Has anyone under the age of 25 heard of Yahoo or Altavista or MySpace? How about Betamax, Laserdisc, or 8 Track? Retail/distribution is no different.
Living in BFE but working in mining, our only brick and mortar is a home Depot that I try to keep my consumables business at. Tools generally come from acme and KC for me, with some cross shopping among Amazon, CPO, toolnut, Chad’s toolbox, and I think I’ve used Zoro once or twice. Online is pretty much the only reason I’ve got the serviceable mountain of tools that I have.
True Value’s Master Mechanic screwdrivers are USA-made by Pratt-Read, who also made Craftsman screwdrivers at one point. The Master Mechanic versions are better, in my opinion, and the price is excellent.
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Someone else mentioned this in an earlier comment chain, but I’d add Taylor Tools (http://www.taytools.com) to the list for hand tools. I can’t afford Starret, and they strike a great balance between quality and value for me.
It really defies belief that Sears paint, hardware and appliance businesses-all Crown Jewels have all but disappeared from America.
Also, the major electronic distributors (Digikey, Mouser, Newark) carry a surprising number of hand tools. Pricing generally is around list, but I’ve got some absolute steals from Newark’s closeout deals (Wera and Wiha hand tools , along with network cables and such)
Zoro is Grainger’s on line store . They are the exact same company. I’ve purchased many products from Zoro that are priced much Lower than Grainger. Same exact tool. I always received my order within 1-3 days if it’s in stock w/o paying extra deliver charges
The “free tool” refund value will be on your receipt. For example the m12 hammer drill/impact kit comes with,either a battery, ratchet,light etc. The ratchet is $84 in a return. So the kit is normally $230 at HD. During the summer sales it will dip to $200,and the “free” tool is worth $84. So from $ 230 to 200 -84 = about 125 after taxes.
DRPD (drpd.cc) has recently become my go-to online domestic supplier of PB Swiss, Nepros and Ko-Ken. Good prices, reasonable shipping, and an excellent, expanding inventory. A USA option that doesn’t feel like a compromise.
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They are industrial-oriented (in their words, they serve “semiconductor, medical device, aerospace, telecommunications, alternative energy, and robotics industries”), not construction.
But Menards is unbeatable on lumber and building materials around here (though if they have the 11% rebate hot you can get that matched by Home Depot: https://www.homedepotrebates11percent.com/#/home
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I’ve needed an odd fastener that was missing or damaged from a kit a few times and found HD’s stock to be frustrating to deal with. A lot of their fastener bins are managed by third party reps who aren’t always diligent in checking that bins are full/correctly stocked.
Im not much for online sales but if i cant find it local then it’s amazon ore the home depot. Local is hf, menards, Home Depot, napa or oriley auto parts
At one time Garrett-Wade was once headquartered just north of Canal Street in Manhattan. Later, Tools for Working Wood was located a few flights up in the Flatiron district. We’d (my wife and I) come into Manhattan to shop, eat and catch a show. She’d roam the Fifth Avenue shops – while I’d look at what was new at GW or TFWW. I’d rarely buy anything – but it beat the alternative. We’d meet for a pre-show dinner then compare notes. GW introduced me to Lie Nielsen planes (they were one of the first distributors) , while TFWW had more items from folks like Ray Isles.
Garret Wade, though they seem to be becoming a new Smith and Hawken, with lots of gardening tools, desk accessories, etc.
There are 3 Home Depot closer to me than the local Ace. I’ve been to the Ace once or twice, but never for tools, as they have a very small selection.
The Do It Best hardware store near me is great when I want advice that I doubt I will get from HD or when I need a specific fastener that isn’t very common.
It depends. My semi-local Ace (it’s significantly farther than the closest HD) has a better selection of Milwaukee tools than HD. They claim to be the biggest Ace Hardware store in the West. They do have some unique products (last time I was there, I bought single hex wrenches and blueberry bushes, neither of which was available at HD).
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Good question. As HD and I presume others as well are now using an outside vendor software company to authenticate all returns of power tools. AKA whether they’ve ever been a part of a kit or other multiple item sales event before actually cash refunding or crediting your account.
My favorites are Lee Valley, Wurth, Princess Auto, KMS tools and Grainger. I would shop at Vallen more if there was one near me – or if their shipping was more reasonable (good source for affordable Williams tools).
I have never had any problem ordering from them. They appear to me to be something akin to an old hardware store that now sells online. Lots of what they sell seems to be remainders, odd lots or NOS. That said – you may not get your item shiny or in the latest shrink-wrapped or clamshell packaging. They also don’t always represent the lowest-cost buying option – but that goes for almost all retailers. I have bought from them rather sporadically – so, I don’t have tons of data – but I’ve been satisfied.
K.C. Tool (mostly) and Chad’s (sometimes) for Knipex and Stahlwille. True Value for most things local. Sometimes Home Depot or Lowe’s.
I typically buy cordless tools in mid summer when the deals are the best,like buy 1 get a free tool ,then return the free tool for a refund,2 extra free batteries, etc.
The tools look brand new. I believe they also still have a warranty. In addition there are some deals on new in the original packaging tools.
My experience has often been that the places with above average NORMAL prices have some of the most amazing CLEARANCE sales – 90% off or more after awhile.
Stuart, your comments RSS feed has helped me a great deal in finding updates. Perhaps John and others could benefit as well.
Early in my working life many cities had go-to large hardware and/or tool “stores”. Even in Manhattan NY there once were major tools suppliers (Canal St. had several). In our plumbing and remodeling/GC businesses – before there Home Depot became so ubiquitous – we often frequented smaller establishments. Many of these now have an online presence;
Acme Tools – Great selection of power tools, hand tools, and tool storage, usually at competitive pricing (or better). I check Acme’s deals and promos regularly.
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I’ll have to see if I can upload a couple pictures, but for now there’s a video here https://dale-hardware.com/tour-2/ that’s too old to include the new Milwaukee section
ToolGuyd has affiliate/referral relationships with many of these retailers, but I have also been buying our own tools and supplies from them for many years, and strongly recommend them without hesitation.
As a woodworker, I’ve used Highland Hardware for years. Hartville tools is great. Woodcraft has the largest selection locally if I want to see something in hand. I’ve been to Grizzly several times, as it’s an hour north to Bellingham.
I like to plan ahead and not pay a “convenience ” cost ,plus full price on anything. Obviously you cannot plan for everything.
Which vendors would you add to this list? This isn’t an exhaustive list of where I purchase new tools from – the above list reflects where I shop and spend the most.
I’ve purchased tools this way – there can be good deals, but you have to inspect them upon receipt and be ready to send them back.
Harry must have bought 4,000 of them He has 3,400 left and they are better than any ratcheting screwdriver for $12.50 and they come with a few bits and work in two positions. I give them out as gifts and they are very robust. I wonder if the gears inside are metal? Since Harry wants to get rid of them they are 7.50 each for 12 drivers.
I recently started ordering from Tekton and I have to say, I am VERY impressed. Amazing customer service and an amazing warranty! I will buy an occasional tool (usually with the mindset of it being sacrificial) but I can not stand their inconsistent “need a receipt” to replace a tool. I mean come on, where else can I buy an Icon tool! It is literally a different response depending on who you talk to…..needed to replace an Icon tool and on the third trip there, got an employee who just let me swap it out.
I don’t think I’ve seen a mention of Northern Tool. I’ve been buying a lot of equipment from them recently that ranged from a concrete mixer and tools, scaffolding, welding supplies and trailer parts. They just about carry the full Milwaukee power tool line in my local store and have a large selection of their house brand tools. I get a flyer every couple of months with $ off coupons that are typically about 20% and can be used on sale items.
Ace Hardware, True Value, and autoparts stores, such as Advanced Auto, O-Reilly, etc often have a good selection of hand tools at various price points.
Grainger typically offers 15% across the board to “business customers” last I knew. The registration process is a joke if you aren’t trying to establish a line of credit.
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My experience at Harry Epstein has been wonderful for old new Craftsman tools. They have a Craftsman professional grip driver Made in Germany!
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I’ve seen the prices as Mister Worker, and they’re quite competitive. The issues that I have questions about always gave me pause, though.
I shop at both major big-box retailers, and typically pick one over the others depending on what I’m looking to buy. If both offer the same tools or supplies at similar prices, I prefer Home Depot.
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After spending an hour tweaking and disassembling it trying to diagnose the issue, I found that it was missing the rotor from inside motor. Considering the visual condition of the heater, I can only assume someone bought it, removed the rotor for parts and then sent it back to Amazon. I bought the replacement parts myself, but it wasn’t so much of a deal anymore.
Another time I bought a kerosene heater that didn’t want to light. It looked brand new and indeed was “Like New” per Amazon. It was silly cheap, but I bought it in the summer and didn’t check it right away so I could not return it.
You do have to watch it with their prices on power tools though. Sometimes they are fantastic, other times they are list or even higher.
At work, we normally use Olander for our nuts, bolts, and such (typically stainless steel, hex head, metric and standard); they have offices in SoCal, NorCal (Sunnyvale), and WA.
I don’t shop for second-hand tools often, but have scored some nice deals and trades on enthusiast forums. There’s always a risk factor.
Probably get 90% of my stuff from those three. Home Depot/Lowes/online vendors when there is a deal, i.e. Black Friday.
How about Travers tools? I just found out about them when I saw someone post a picture that had Lixie hammers in it. I did a search and realized that Lixie is a modern brand, not a defunct brand of yesteryear. Travers tools seems to be geared toward industrial and machine shops.
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Oh, and again, don’t forget about flea markets, estate sales and garage/yard sales for the hand tools of the 50s-80s. All the “modern” designs but pre-China (“BC”). The guys who own that stuff are starting to “phase out”, and where else should that all that go but to people who absolutely appreciate good hand tools?
Highland Hardware here in atlanta is great https://www.highlandwoodworking.com/ They also do different classes from sharping tools to lathe turning – wife and I have taken a few classes on turning and it was fun. I’ve always had a great experience buying from them or taking a class staff is very knowledgeable unlike the big box stores. Never needed to buy anything online from them as it only a few miles away- but my understanding is that they also do a lot of online sales.
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DirectTools Factory Outlet has had some very good prices on Ridgid factory blemished tools with $7 shipping. Haven’t bought from them yet.
Grizzly International is great for bigger shop tools, like cabinet saws, planers, and dust collection. A bit more commercial though.
Home Depot – Vast selection, decent prices, many items are eligible for free shipping and time-saving free in-store pickup. I have had great customer service experiences as well.
I buy all normal tool consumables (bits, blades,batteries etc), and packout for the entire year……all over BF sales from October-Jan.
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The days of 10%, 15%, 20% on broad categories are over. This could also be COVID-related, where business could be so good they can be more stringent about promotions.
I also tend to visit the traveling Woodworking Show with a healthy budget, as I never know what goodies I’ll find and feel compelled to buy on impulse.
A lot of the shine on Amazon has come off for me lately. It’s been more a marketplace than a retailer for years now, and it’s flooded with no-name Chinese products. I’m not a person who demands everything be made in the US, but I’m worried by the lack of protection those Chinese manufacturers give to consumers, their workers, and the environment. Especially, the growing appearance of counterfeit products (like N95 masks) makes me lose trust in Amazon.
I love that list. Yeah, most of them I don’t use, but I have very few to add. To the point that I can really only say that my own, personal, preferences are:
For tools it’s buy 95% online to get the best tool at the cheapest price. 5% I buy locally due to “need it now”,or its on clearance .
Travers Tools…if MSC is on the list then Travers has to be as well! Lots of overlap but Travers often has some pretty great sales in certain categories. Customer service at Travers is over the top outstanding even for small time customers.
I have gotten lots of stuff at Direct Tools Outlet (Ryobi & Ridgid), always been happy even with the refurb stuff i have gotten
Farm and Fleet (DeWalt, Milwaukee, FESTOOL, Klein, Stihl) Fleet Farm (Dewalt, Milwaukee, Husqvarna, Felo, Klein) Menards (Bosch, Knipex, Metabo HPT, cheap consumables/hardware)
For woodworking I’d add Lie-Neilson to that list. They have a smaller selection than some other places but you can’t beat their quality.
Tools have been Bahco, Proto, Armstrong, Stanley, Mayhew, and Vaughan. I think I’ve only ever been disappointed with a micrometer holder.
I like Zoro. I bought a lot of MItee Bite fixtures from them with 20% coupons. They sent a survey and I received a $15 dollar credit to use on any purchase.
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With things like fasteners, I might get machine screws, nuts, and washers from all different brands, although they’ve been consistent over the years.
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I’ve been waiting to order some pricey casters for a few months now. They’re for a project I’m not quite up to, and so I was able to wait. There were no applicable deals since October or so when I started looking for a matching promo.
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As an extremely avid Zoro shopper, I can attest to this as well. I used to get a 20% off code for anything except the obvious excluded brands (Sawstop, Honda, Fluke etc.) at least twice a month. About mid March of 2020 this all of the sudden dried up. As Stuart said I’m not sure if they initially cut them off because of Covid, but now I’m lucky to get a 20% off once a month that’s only good on a few select categories. A bit of a bummer to say the least, as it was an excellent honey hole for quite a few brands, but I understand business is business; it was a good run while it lasted.
Menard’s (for those in the territory covered by them) is great for the Harbor Freight level stuff and often beats them on price now. The brand names they carry leave a lot to be desired though.
I stock my pantry with canned goods when they’re on sale,same with paper products . I ordered 1 years supply of toilet paper 2 months before the shortage last year. I know it helps the local stores out when you buy from them. I have a butcher,grocery store,ace hardware that I buy all lumber/food/meat from usually about once per month at each.
I’d echo what Jared said about Amazon Warehouse. I order occasionally, when schedule allows, and have to send some items back once for every few successful deliveries.
Example: I bought an 8-piece SK extension set that was “Used Very Good”, but turned out to be a set from “US Pro”. My guess is someone bought the SK set, returned the US Pro set pretending it was the SK set and received a full refund.
For Zoro – I’d ad that they seem to offer 10%, 15% and 20% off deals (usually with lots of fine print) if you have bought from them in the past and have an account. I’m never quite sure what triggers their sending you a promo code.
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*=Both the physical stores, and the warehouses those stores have, sell direct to the customer with full web-based shipping options. They have all adapted slightly to Covid as well, offering curb-side-pickup, full customer service assisted buying, and either ship-to-store, or ship-from-store options. Amazon, as we are well aware, is purely Online only. But the overlap between having the Physical locations, and the Online parts of those stores is a major feature worth mentioning.
Local here on Oahu, Hawaii: my Snap-on driver, City Mill, Home Depot, Lowes, Ace Hardware, Slim’s. Online Order: Harry J. Epstein’s, Amazon, McMaster-Carr with reasonable or free (Amazon) shipping. Places like Zoro, CPO, etc., astronomical shipping of no shipping to Hawaii.
Actually Tiger Supplies (the folks we bought our total station from) has good prices (often better than KC Tool) on Halder Hammers:
Thank you. Has anyone else ordered from drpd.cc? If so, has your experience been good? Are there other sources for PB Swiss tools that folks can recommend?
Just recently looked for a small starter tool set for my daughter going to college. Checked several places. I was down to piecing one together and found a set at Harbor Freight with all the basics for a whopping $60. It’s all their Pittsburgh brand but as far as I can tell none of it is the really cheap disposable tool stuff. She’s not going to tech school so no need for tradesman grade (yet).
I believe Wood River is Woodcraft’s in-house brand. Both Bench Dog (Rockler) and Wood River seem to be mid quality, mid priced brands. In my limited experience (some planes), Wood River a notch better and a bit more expensive.
Would definitely add Taylor Tools to the list as well as Great Lakes Power Tools. Tekton might be worth the add since buying direct from them is often the better deal.
For a wide range of drills we use Pan American Tool (https://www.panamericantool.com) they also have an extensive line of Nova Pneumatic tools great for reaching those hard to get to spots
Grainger’s pricing is greatly inflated since they mainly serve business-to-business with contract discounts. Zoro carries most of what Grainger does, but at lower pricing and slightly slower shipping.
Zoro is worth signing up for an account, just for the occasional 15 ~ 20% discount coupon; between that and free shipping at $50+, it adds up quickly.
Amazon – Wide selection, great prices, excellent customer service, easy return policy, many items eligible for free shipping. One of my favorite place to shop for tools and supplies.
*=On this list used to be Blackrock Tools, but they were secretly bought by Grainger, their customer service dropped off the face of the Earth, and then they were merged into a completely different industrial supply company. When I went looking for a replacement, I found Squares first, who seemed to be nearly identical to Blackrock, except being Milwaukee-centric rather than DeWALT-centric like Blackrock was. I have since moved on to Atlas, because… well… They’re Everything-Centric, have better shipping and customer service, and have been in business for much longer. Not too fond of their slight favouritism toward Festool and Systainers, but they heavily promote in-store Martinez Hammer customization and personalisation events and dedicated floor space to testing your choices out. They also are one of only a handful of places one can buy Ansel/Microflex Midknight/Midknight+ gloves. The Pandemic has made them extremely scarce, and they go extremely fast, but they do carry them as much as Ansel will ship to them. They, too, have pay-and-pickup and easy Delivery options. They even had Drive-Up service for months during the Canadian Lockdown measures. They refuse to close or give up on their customers. Plus they have their own Swag you can buy, and it’s so dang comfy I’m basically in love with the place now.
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Harbor Freight does have some high quality (made in Taiwan) items among the disposable Chinesium junk, and even few USA-made products, like penetrating oil.
Very helpful updated list. Any way that the old comments from a year ago could be put further down or archived when posts are updated like this? In instances like this, scrolling down 80 comments to get past old ones will get to be a bit much..
We’re fortunate to still have contractor oriented tool stores and lumber yards in Portland, so I dedicate my purchases there. Barbo Machinery, Chas H Day, and Woodcrafters get 90% of my tool business. The other 10% goes to Amazon when I’m in a hurry for something specialized.
Stuart, Bit of a sideways game, but by looking at product details, emailing customer service, or calling them, I’ve never come across something at McMaster they would not provide manufacturer and model number for, from screws through industrial equipment or power tools. They get back to you quickly but, yes, often you need to ask.
Anything else varies based on what I’m looking for – I’ll bounce between Lowes and Home Depot, occasionally Harbor Freight, depending on what I’m looking for and how quickly I need it.